Nya House

fedi drama, also involving two mutuals woohoo

Ok here's my take on this mess. If you're confused after reading this, so am I.

  • Fedi clients can and should block shitty instances, and Husky is garbage for having removed the blocks.
  • Folks should not prosecuted for merely using Husky.
  • Folks should not defend the devs of Husky and do the ol' "just fork it". Using something created by a fascist can lead to more positive exposure to the fascist, so prioritizing supposed functionality over not supporting facsists is not good.
  • Husky is abandoned anyway.
  • Folks are not immediately tankies for quoting Mao on landlords once (suspicion increased but the quotes on this topic in particular are understandable)
  • Coal is, indeed, even worse for the environment than nuclear power. Ideally, ramping up renewable energy would be great. If you look over to Germany, they're currently ramping up old, decomissioned coal plants again. Not great.
  • Racism should always be called out, no matter if it is intentional or not. Same for ableism and many other -isms.

re: fedi drama, also involving two mutuals woohoo
@kescher blobcatthinkOwO ok, let's have a discussion (or at least I would like to contribute my inputs and ask questions)
> Fedi clients can and should block shitty instances, and Husky is garbage for having removed the blocks
If this is a problem with Husky, the source of this problem is probably more with Tusky, since Husky is basically just a fork of Tusky... (imho this has worked very well for me so far)
> Folks should not prosecuted for merely using Husky
blobcatgoogly i agree
> Folks should not defend the devs of Husky and do the ol' "just fork it". Using something created by a fascist can lead to more positive exposure to the fascist, so prioritizing supposed functionality over not supporting facsists is not good.
The accusation of fascism towards Husky devs is new to me, I thought that Husky was criticized mainly because it improves support with Pleroma, and Pleroma is also used by fascists, among others. The same could be said about Mastodon and many other software. Do you have any sources on this?
> Husky is abandoned anyway.
I thought I saw patches the other day for handling apng and using custom emojis in Reactions...
> Folks are not immediately tankies for quoting Mao on landlords once (suspicion increased but the quotes on this topic in particular are understandable)
It seems I missed more things, do you want to give me the source of it too?
> Coal is, indeed, even worse for the environment than nuclear power. Ideally, ramping up renewable energy would be great. If you look over to Germany, they're currently ramping up old, decomissioned coal plants again. Not great.
I agree blobcat3c
> Racism should always be called out, no matter if it is intentional or not. Same for ableism and many other -isms.
I agree. In principle, each instance has its rules in dealing with local users or users of other instances. In the context of Fediverse, there are often disagreements about how these rules should be implemented.

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@Jain @kescher
> can and should enforce the developer's politics
FTFY.

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@Jain

> > Husky is abandoned anyway.
> I thought I saw patches the other day for handling apng and using custom emojis in Reactions...

I'm thinking getting back to it because some people asked me about that. It might take some time still, but... comfycofepeek

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@icedquinn @kescher could you contribute a little more seriously and not just shitpost... this does not necessarily help in a constructive discussion

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@captainepoch i appreciate your work anyway blobcathuggies

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@Jain literally the entire precept of husky drama is developers wanting to enforce politics.

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@Jain I'm still wondering how we are called nazis and fascists because of Husky... I don't see the conection anywhere.

meowHuggies

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@captainepoch blobcatshrug2 I think that some people hear some rumors and make statements themselves, without having dealt with the topic in more detail... Or I would have missed some things, although I was aware of how and why the fork was created blobcatgoogly

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@kescher
I would retract my statement regarding the whole Situation, I misinterpreted the context, I thought it was about blocks from users towards other users. (idk how i got that idea) I could not remember the whole story correctly since it is already a bit further back in time... I like to repeat what I wrote in another post: I make it relatively easy for myself here, I am too lazy to take a clear position, because the situation is more complex and much context is no longer taken into account.

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@Jain @kescher I would love to read the post you replied to. Seems like a hilarious steaming pile of garbage comfyjoy

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@Jain@blob.cat taking a quick look at your instance reveals that it fucking sucks. the reply by one of your users to your previous reply tells a lot. Suspending it. Bye!

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@kescher That's a pity, I think any further post from me would only make the situation worse even I can't really do anything about it...

@Jain then again, why did you even bother replying to this guy comfyxd

@newt I regret it

@newt well blobs looks like i got us banned again blobcatgoogly

@Jain you should regret nothing! You did everything right.

@icedquinn @newt dont worry, I complain about it a little myself https://blob.cat/notice/AM9QDfqivmHW9Dxsqu

@icedquinn he blocked Helene, for crying out loud. We just couldn't be saved.

@newt it is regrettable that people have to be unreasonable.

@newt @icedquinn i've never ever interacted with them and i believe they blocked me before i ever saw their instance
it's fine by me anyhow but why not just, block my account for themselves instead? cirno_shrug

@helene @newt all or nothing, all the time. cirno_sip

@newt @Jain >users interact with shitty users and shitty instances
why tf is this a reason to block the whole instance...

@kaedechan @Jain you must be new here comfyxd

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@kescher Here is Jain, I promise not to bother you further but would like to get rid of something:
> this instance is basically ours but evil and not well-moderated. users interact a lot with shitty users on shitty instances. also, I received a freeze peachy reply and the admin does not care
Perhaps this is because the admins have agreed that respectful interaction is important, but that it is not necessary to agree in every case of every discussion. I personally don't really like sarcasm too but thats a huge difference compared to the accusation that is not well moderated here... The accusation that I did not care about the shitpost from quinn is simply wrong, and for this I have also pointed him out. Besides of that, our Admins has agreed that it is up to the users to block other users if they have a reason for it, and we follow approximately the following procedure:
https://github.com/pixeldesu/fediverse-friendly-moderation-covenant/blob/master/covenant.md And according to those values is a instance block very much unjustified.

If you want to keep the block like this, you are welcome to do so, even if it's a pity because I liked catcatnya, but your statement is far from reality.
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@Nya Ah, you're one of the instances abusing this covenant to keep federating with shit like kiwifarms.cc. alrighty bye

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